A Slice of Controversy

by Chris Murdico 6/2/2008 5:43:00 PM

This past Saturday Mixed Martial Arts was introduced to the mainstream when EliteXC aired on CBS in primetime. It was supposed to be an event that grabbed those still on the cusp of being interested in MMA. Early ratings came in showing that 4.3 million people watched the event and that number could have gone up as the main event came on after 11:00 PM. In addition, this showcase was designed to get EliteXC into the MMA spotlight and take some attention away from the big dog in the sport, the Ultimate Fighting Championship. Unfortunately the event did not live up to the hype. The main reason for this being because of the way the main event ended, with a great deal of controversy.

EliteXC is a brand not many people have probably heard of. However, I'm sure most of you that consider yourself even casual MMA fans or sports fans in general have heard the name Kevin Ferguson, or rather you've heard him by his fighting name, "Kimbo Slice." EliteXC has been pimping out Slice for months now as their poster boy. He's the phenom from the streets. He's the YouTube legend. He's the man that came from nothing and into the spotlight. Kimbo is the fighter EliteXC is hitching its wagon to, hoping he'll propel them on toward giving the UFC some competition in the MMA world.

This past Saturday Kimbo could have done just that, but in my mind, he failed. Slice came into his fight against James Thompson with a 2-0 record, both wins coming via KO and TKO. This fight showed how little experience he truly has and that he is still a work in progress. In his first to fights he had only been in the cage for a total of 62 seconds. It was a different story on Saturday as Thompson made Kimbo work into the third round. This was the first fight Kimbo had been taken down and had to fight from his back. His lack of ground game showed as Thompson worked him over and at one point had him completely pinned against the cage. Kimbo did have a few good moves from the ground that got the fight back to a standing position, but his lack of overall experience was on display no doubt.

Thompson came into this fight sporting some serious cauliflower ear. It was even more apparent as the fight went on. By the time the third round came around, his ear was flopping around and it looked like it had a little balloon on it. Thompson's left ear became a target for Kimbo and when he landed a big blow to that ear, it popped. Blood shot out of it. It was one of the grossest things I've seen since I've been watching MMA. The shot to the ear threw Thompson's equilibrium off for a second but he regained his composure. The fight continued, but not for much longer. Kimbo landed a few more shots, and even though Thompson looked like he was OK to continue, the referee stopped the fight and awarded Kimbo the TKO victory. It was a controversial ending to say the least.

So did Kimbo live up to his hype. Not hardly. He's still a raw talent that has to continue to learn. Put him up against almost any heavyweight fighter in the UFC and he wouldn't stand much of a chance I believe. His stand up is that of of a dirty boxer or street fighting style, which makes sense considering where he came from. But his ground game is almost non-existent. He'll learn as he goes and could become a great fighter for EliteXC. But for now he's just a lot of hype without any true credibility.

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6/2/2008 9:57:38 PM

Dan Clasgens

Man I didn't see, but I sure feel like I did after listening to talk radio today. Whether it was good or not, I don't think MMA and EliteXC could have imagined much better publicity.

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6/3/2008 7:21:50 AM

Chris Murdico

No doubt the event and the controversy surrounding more than just the Kimbo Slice fight has gotten EliteXC a lot of attention. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing though considering the reasons why people are talking about it. There's a lot of negative talk about the last two fights of the event. EliteXC may never reach the heights of the UFC, especially with the UFC owning WEC which has a lot of great fighters in it as well that they could pull over to the UFC at anytime if need be.

In order for EliteXC to keep their brand name out there they will need to do more of these types of events. I believe there are talks for another one this summer or sometime in the fall, so that's a good start. But for those that have Showtime, they have an event on there once a month pretty much. No PPV fees, which is really nice considering the price of the UFC PPVs right now.

Overall the EliteXC did a good job of getting their brand out there and in the minds of those on the fringe of the MMA interest. Keeping it there is going to be the difficult part, especially if Kimbo starts to get exposed down the line.

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6/3/2008 8:32:04 AM

Brian Huneke

Chris,

Your blog was dead on. I am one of those people that are just getting into MMA. I knew very little about Kimbo Slice except what you told me. He definitely did not impress me. I thought Thompson had Slice especially when he was pinned up against the cage. Slice has a lot of work left to do.

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6/3/2008 12:46:10 PM

Bret Sims

Hey can anyone tell me when we bring back the Roman Coliseum so I can tune in and watch both man and animal beaten to a bloody pulp?

One would think that in 2008 that we as a society had progressed past the point of considering two men beat the crap out of each other as entertainment.

Gotta go, I just heard they were having a child spanking contest on the square.

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6/3/2008 4:31:10 PM

Chris Murdico

Bret,

Get over yourself man. This isn't the first time you've bashed on mixed martial arts on this blog before. I bet you know nothing about the sport or how it is ran or watched an event. If you had, you would know that what takes place now is nothing like the things that happened back in Roman times. These fighters are very skilled athletes, most are more skilled and better conditioned than boxers or football players.

It cracks me up when people such as yourself bash on a sport that you probably know very little about. As I've stated before on the GSI site, MMA is not just a sport, it is a craft. The UFC used to be brutal and have very few rules, which caused many injuries, but only one person in the history of MMA has ever died because of stepping inside the ring, cage or Octagon, and that guy died because of other complications not known previously to the fight.

You don't like it. You think its barbaric, that's fine, don't watch it. But don't bash what you don't know. That would be like me saying cricket is a dumb sport cause there aren't actually crickets involved in playing. OK, that's little bit of a stretch, but you get the idea.

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6/3/2008 6:44:22 PM

Adam Bartel

Silly Chris, crickets don't play in cricket...cicadas do.

I didn't get to see the fight, but I think it's an understatement to say that I would have been 100 times more interested in seeing the chick from American Gladiators fight than Slice. At least this proved that you can't just come in to an MMA match with nothing more than streetfighting and brawling skills. Slice would get killed by an averagely skilled fighter.

But could Thompson have gotten that ear drained before the fight? That's the one thing I'm grateful that I missed.

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6/3/2008 9:06:07 PM

Chris Murdico

Adam, always with the answers...guess we can go out and play cricket right now with all the cicadas around.

The fight with Gina Carano, the chick from American Gladiators, was probably the best fight of the night actually. Slice was exposed somewhat for what he doesn't know this past weekend. Once he steps into the cage to fight someone more noteworthy he will really be exposed unless he starts getting the training. Street fighting "skills" will only get him so far. For now he's just the guy that EliteXC can use to get them near the status of the UFC...but they're never going to get there as he gets more and more exposed. They can only "fix" the fights for so long before the fans lose interest.

And yeah, Thompson could have and should have had his ear drained before the fight. Gross!

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6/4/2008 11:45:13 AM

Bret Sims

Chris and like someone who can't begin to understand someone else's point of view other than claiming "It must be because I don't understand or have never done it", you sound like a soccer fan with respect to the fights.

At the end of the day, watching two guys bloody one another for the shear enjoyment is not what I would consider a sport and if in fact you know ANYTHING about martial arts you will know that they were not created to fight or inflict harm on another person. They were created for a sense of inner peace, balance and harmony and ended up being used for self defense and then violence.

So get off your high horse trying to defend what would be considered assault and battery with jail time served if these events happened outside a night club, school, gas station...etc.

I guess I don't understand dog fighting, seal bashing or whale hunting because I can't see the beauty in the violence as you apparently do.

Last time I checked mankind should have evolved past this point.

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6/4/2008 12:13:14 PM

Chris Murdico

Bret, I actually did know the original reason behind martial arts believe it or not. I'm not oblivious to any of that. I just don't get why people bash on this stuff so much. If you don't like it, don't watch. You have the right to your opinion as do I. And to compare it to dog fighting is just ridiculous. The dogs don't know any better because they're trained to fight by their owners. In MMA, the fighters have the choice to do what they do, nobody is making them do it. So the comparison isn't fair.

The fights are santioned by gaming commissions in every state they take place in. Its no different than boxing in that regard. What these guys put their bodies through in preparation for their fights make them athletes and thus, makes this a sport in my mind, and in the minds of many. I don't watch to see someone get destroyed necessarily, I watch to see how a guy keeps from getting destroyed to be honest. The way he can get out of a submission or change the course of the fight by blocking and countering a kick or punch.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree here apparently.

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6/4/2008 12:47:29 PM

Jeff Pugh

This just goes to show how much of an impact MMA has right now. You are always going to have the group that hates MMA and the group that loves it. I fall in the latter. Been a big fan because boxing has lost its lore to me. Boxing has very few up and coming stars to hitch its ride to and has done a poor job marketing and policing itself. To me, if you are fan of boxing, yet call MMA barbaric ... you're a hypocrite. They are too similar to tell me otherwise ... objective of each is to beat your opponent by punching (MMA adds kicking and ground game). I'd argue MMA is safer because it is only three rounds, 15 minutes total ... not 12 rounds (36 minutes). Yes, MMA uses lighter gloves and power punches end the fights sooner. Boxing ... you beat the living hell out of another person with heavier gloves causing more damage throughout the fight.

What was on CBS Saturday night wasn't a sport production, but rather a CBS entertainment event. That is way the production seemed so WWE to me. Kimbo Slice is a fraud. James Thompson isn't a good fighter, having lost eight of his last 10 fights (I believe). If Kimbo ever fights an accomplished MMA fighter, he'd never make it out of the first round.

If you truly wanted to watch what a real MMA fight is about, you should have tuned into Versus on Sunday night to watch the WEC. The 135- and 145-pound fights that night were the best of the year so far. Both were title fights. In the 135-pound fight, each competitor had a leg-bar and ankle-lock applied to each other for 20 or so seconds with neither tapping out. Simply incredible to think that they've trained themselves so much that they can withstand the pain associated with each of those moves. They're flexibility was amazing.

Finally ... for those that don't like the sport. Thank you. Your opinion has been heard. I won't try to tell you how great it is on an anti-MMA message board, so don't come and tell me that I'm a savage because I enjoy the sport.

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6/4/2008 12:58:26 PM

Bret Sims

Chris, fair enough that we can agree to disagree. That is what makes this country so great.

Jeff, for people that like the sport, more power to them. I'm not one of them and I don't watch it. I just read the blog and wanted to repsond.

Bottomline is this blog has 11 responses, thus one of the better blogs on this website to date.

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6/4/2008 1:07:50 PM

Chris Murdico

I wish I had been able to see the Urijah Faber vs. Jens Pulver fight. But stupid Time Warner doesn't carry Versus anymore for whatever reason and I couldn't make it out to a bar to catch it. Heard it was an awesome fight thought.

I am definitely surprised this blog entry got so much attention, but I'm loving every entry. That's what this site was desinged for and I love the opinions, even if they are wrong, Bret! Sorry, had to get that little jab in there.

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6/4/2008 1:20:02 PM

Bret Sims

Chris,

I appreciate your jabs and the fact that you are passionate and knowledgeable about the topics you engage in.

I'd rather argue over opinions with regards to sports than not argue at all.

Keep up the good work.

P.S. Something tells me that you think Death Race 2000 is a classic.

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6/4/2008 3:19:00 PM

Jeff Pugh

Bret ... I'm glad you wanted to comment on a sport, but try to do it in a way that doesn't demean the sport. Comments like, "One would think that in 2008 that we as a society had progressed past the point of considering two men beat the crap out of each other as entertainment. Gotta go, I just heard they were having a child spanking contest on the square." do nothing to advance your argument. I used to argue against soccer because it is a sport I don't watch, but I grew tired of taking the same potshots every time. Now I just ignore posts about soccer because I know I have limited to zero knowledge about the sport and shouldn't comment.

Chris ... I would have offered you the chance to watch the Faber v. Pulver fight, but I deleted it off my DVR last night. It was a great fight. Five very hard rounds. I'd love to see Faber move up to lightweight and into the UFC. Now that he'd beaten Pulver, I don't think there is really much for him to beat in the WEC, besides a fight with Miguel Torres, the bantamweight champ. His fight was unbelievable as well, and has to be leading the fight of the year.

What might have been ever better was the WEC Preview show all about Faber v. Pulver. Very well put together, showing the training sessions and unconventional ways these athletes go about training.

Also, I meant to say this earlier. The only way EliteXC continues to get this can't of viewership is through Kimbo. He's the attraction. He's what people want to see. If Robbie Lawler had been the main event, taking nothing away from Robbie (good enough fighter), the numbers would have paled in comparison. If EliteXC and CBS do another show, Kimbo has to be the main event again. Fight of the night was certainly Carano v. Young. Unfortunate stoppage. I saw a post/comment by Young on her feelings why the fight was stopped and it was interesting to say the least. Her feelings were that CBS didn't want to show a female fighter beaten up and bloody. I say ... you choose to fight, more power to you.

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6/4/2008 4:29:57 PM

Dan Clasgens

I want to see a little tag team with Jeff vs. Brett and Murdico acting as the mediator.

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6/4/2008 4:41:23 PM

Chris Murdico

One thing I would like to add is, could the title of this entry be more fitting?! Never thought this much controversy and debate would have come from this entry when I did it. But, again, its great to have such candid back-and-forth comments between us all.

Dan, I'd love to be the mediator, but I'm not sure if I'm the right guy for that considering I'm a little biased towards Jeff's views. Could turn into Jeff and me vs. Brett (and a bunch of sport writers and personalities that don't really know what they're talking about either). Another jab...man I love this!

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6/4/2008 5:35:02 PM

Lunchbox

Dico, you can catch all of the rounds of the Faber/Pulver fight on YouTube. I had to get them there because my DVR cut off before the fight even started.

Lunchbox

6/4/2008 5:55:34 PM

Jeff Pugh

Well ... this is what you wanted with the blog. I'm just happy that I have the time again to really peruse the website once again. And frankly, this is one topic that has been discussed to the nth degree this week locally and nationally. This was the first wide exposure of MMA to the masses, and if you didn't know what you were watching, you were probably intrigued. If you were already a fan of UFC and know something about the sport, you were probably like me and a bit disgusted by what you saw ... a freakshow of MMA/WWE. I damn near turned it off after watching the has-been Phil Baroni take 10 minutes to get to the ring.

If it is going to be a match between me and Bret ... is it in an octagon or boxing ring? 4-oz glozes, 12-oz gloves of professional fighters or 20-oz gloves of amateurs? Just wondering ...

Chris ... you did an excellent job framing the piece as well. Great headline and well thought out.

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6/4/2008 6:22:28 PM

Bret Sims

Dan,

The match would resemble the WWF or whatever it is called these days with Chris as the evil ref who would be taking shots at me whenever I started to gain any advantage.

Jeff would daze and confuse me with his need to explain that a blog argument actually has to have some type of structure and etiquette instead of senseless rambling which would never quite land a solid blow.

My jabs which I still stand by that in today's world there shouldn't be a place for grown men to pummel each other and consider it a sport. Like I said before, take away the arena and the promotion and it is considered a crime. I realize people enjoy this type of entertainment but I seriously have trouble understanding how as a developed country that something like this can grow in such popularity.

Call me crazy but if this form of entertainment is acceptable and applauded it is only a matter of time before kids start portraying this in their back yards and someone is going to get seriously hurt.

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6/4/2008 8:42:01 PM

Jeff Pugh

Bret ... kids already do from watching fake wrestling. It's called Back Yard Wrestling. You take away the promotion and arena for boxing it is a crime as well, yet it is called the "Sweet Science."

But hey, you at least got part of it right with your comments being senseless ramblings.

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6/4/2008 9:43:08 PM

Ben English

Is this conversation steering way off course? I'll weigh in anyway. There are a lot of forms of entertainment that kids should not emulate in their back yards: certain video games, movies, tv shows, backyard wrestling, jackass stunts, and sure... even MMA. But just because something isn't appropriate for kids in the backyard, it doesn't mean it should be shunned from society. What kids watch and do is a whole different argument, IMHO.

Dogfighting and Gladiators were a way of FORCING beings to fight for their LIVES for the entertainment of others. That doesn't compare to MMA for me.

That said, I will be another one jumping on the wagon FOR mixed martial arts. I enjoy it because it is a mix of different martial arts styles as well as a mix of physical strength, strategy, endurance, and heart. I've seen a fight ended in 8 seconds with a perfect counter punch, but I've also seen full matches of strategic ground game with hardly a punch thrown. I believe it's the many possible strategies and outcomes of an MMA fight that makes it exciting.

Whether it's Lacross, American Gladiators, Boxing, Fencing, Racing, Rugby, Wrestling, etc. There will always be people pitting their physical and mental strengths against each other in ways that have potential for injury or death. It's our competitive nature. That's how a developed country can have something like this grow in such popularity.

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6/5/2008 5:03:39 AM

Benny Leher


Well, I would love to comment on the EliteXC Saturday Night Fights of last week... unfortunately, my local CBS affiliate decided to run a Miracle Network Fundrasier Telethon instead. To say I was angry about the situation would be a gross understatement. As many good things as I have heard about EliteXC, the few infamous bits & flash clips I have heard and seen (respectivley) about Kimbo Slice have been a bit underwhelming. I completely argree with you, Dico. The man is a dirty boxer that is nothing more than a savage bred in the world of Backyard Wrestling, et al. The man may be powerful, but he is greener than a pine tree sapling when it comes to the world of MMA. Saturday was his 3rd, (count it) 3RD Official MMA fight. At this point, he's like a poor man's Tank Abbott (I just hope he doesn't show up on a Pro Wrestling Show any time soon.)


Currently in the UFC (all weight classes):

BJ Penn
George St. Pierre
Anderson Silva
Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Randy Couture
Chuck Liddell
Matt Hughes
Rich Franklin


All of these men I just listed have infinitely larger pools of talent than Kimbo's entire family tree. Until he shows up at Big Bear (or some similar facility) and trains for a few months in an actual FIGHTING STYLE in preparation for an PLANNED MATCH, no one who is in any way serious about MMA will give him a second thought. He will remain nothing but a YouTube sensation and an entry on Digg.com. He's a prison bully; a hulking gang member that would pick up a pair of brass knuckles and use them faster than you can say "Bullqueer Fried Chicken" if the rules allowed it.

This is NOT to say, however, he is not capable of it. Let's face it: anything can happen in MMA. If Gabriel Gonzaga can knock out Mirko Cro Cop in their first ever meeting with Cro Cop's signature head kick and watch him crumble like a box of Stella D'oro Breakfast Treats sent overnight by UPS, Kimbo Slice has the potential to be a contender. If he trains hard, picks a good workout team, spends some time in the trenches developing his skils and consistently testing himself with any and every opponent he can (pun intended) get his hands on, he could grow to become a force in the industry, you never know.... but he is not there yet. Not even CLOSE.


Contrarily, I was pleased with the WEC event on Versus the following night, headlined by a 5-round MMA showcase delivered to everyone's favorite "love to hate" featherweights, "Little Evil" Jens Pulver, courtesy of the current reigning and defending WEC Featherweight Champion, "The California Kid" Urijah Faber... proving that he's NOT just another hotshot up-and-comer... regardless of the fact that this fight went the distance; that simply proves he has the staying power.

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6/5/2008 6:09:30 AM

Bret Sims

I just find it puzzling as to why people are attracted to watching two grown men hurt each other. When you go to an actual martial arts event, the way it was intended there are points awarded for specific moves / blows but the intent is not to bloody or injur your opponent. It is about control and style.

This stuff that we are talking about is nothing more than two men fighting and trying to hurt each other by means of martial arts as their form of choice.

Throw in some baseball bats, broken bottles, razors or whatever and create a new type of fighting and claim it is Street Fighting. Put it on a pay per view channel and make millions because apparently American men and some women enjoy the brutal nature of men smashing each other in the face.

Thus I'll never understand it but now I'm done with this topic.

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